LISTEN | I argued against your recall: Ramaphosa tells Zuma in leaked recording

Jacob Zuma and Cyril Ramaphosa. Image credit: Flickr/GovernmentZA

President Cyril Ramaphosa told former President Jacob Zuma during their virtual meeting in March that he argued against his 2018 recall as President of the Republic.

The ANC’s National Executive Committee (NEC) decided in February 2018 to recall Zuma, who eventually resigned after the party threatened to support a vote of no confidence in him in Parliament.


Zuma’s speaking notes leaked last week revealed that during his virtual meeting with the ANC’s top 6 officials last month, he accused Ramaphosa of “dishonesty.”

To back up his accusation, Zuma claimed Ramaphosa did not push through their “agreement,” reached together with Secretary-General Ace Magashule, that he should resign in three to six months.

However, according to a leaked audio recording from the meeting, Ramaphosa told Zuma that he was opposed to his immediate recall, but was “overwhelmed” by the dominant view in the NEC meeting.

He explained that even though former President Thabo Mbeki had “never had a supportive disposition” towards him, he and Zuma, among others, argued against his recall in 2008.

‘We were overwhelmed’

Ramaphosa said, “Even as a view was taken that he [Mbeki] should be taken out of the position [as President of the Republic], I am one of those – and you as well – who said no, it should not happen this way, but in the end, we lost the argument.

“You would remember how comrade Thabo was taken out. There were contrary voices, mine and yours and a few others, but we were overwhelmed.

“And in this case – your case – as well, we were overwhelmed. But I guess you believe that I am deceitful and I’m not to be trusted. I’m sorry that you see things that way comrade Jacob.”

Ramaphosa also denied Zuma’s claim that he has always been against him and wants him to “go to jail.”

“In your mind, it’s possible that you would say, Cyril Ramaphosa has always been against me and he’s wanting me to go to jail and wants no support for me for my legal cases and so on,” the President said.

“That’s possibly your view, but I’d like to say – and I don’t even want to say that you should believe me – that has never been my own intention. I see you as my leader and my elder in the ANC.”

Listen to the audio recording below:

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